I think that the reason why the WT still vigorously supports the d2d, cart work, "bible" studies in spite of staggering "failure" is because in their view its not failure at all. The program still effectively spreads the wicked idea to 7.5 million people per year (to people who might otherwise become Christian) that a person will wake up in paradise for a "do-over" after they die because they can atone for their own sin. No need for Jesus, or the bible study for that matter.
Of course Hebrews 9 : 27 says that there will be a judgment after a person dies. But a lot of bible studies probably decide to row their own boat after accepting the lies of JW "bible teachers" regarding "salvation".
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Baptismal Failure Rates Among JW Bible Teachers
by Sea Breeze inthe 2024 data from the jw website indicates that jw teachers have an over 96% failure rate with their students : .
2024 average bible studies each month: 7,480,146.
2024 baptisms:296,267. number of bible studies it takes to produce one baptism : 25.25. this means that jehovah's witnesses have an over 96% failure rate with people who want to study the bible with them.
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Zechariah 12:10 Corruption in the NWT
by Sea Breeze inhere's a question for those who still support watchtower on this forum.
why did watchtower leave out the word "me" in zech.
zechariah 12:10 reads like this: .
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@no-zombie
Many critics suggest that English translations of the Greek Septuagint might be biased to prevent a messianic interpretation.
However, the preposition “me” is definitely in the original Hebrew. If you are curious, you can go to http://biblehub.com/interlinear/zechariah/12-10.htm The literal translation of the Hebrew words goes something like this: “they have pierced whom on me and they shall look….”
I looked up the Septuagint translation of Zechariah 12:10. This is a helpful piece of data because the Septuagint translation was made before the ministry of Jesus. At this point, there was no strong reason for the Jews to have such a biased translation–geared to prevent a messianic interpretation.
The Septuagint translation has the one who is looked on also being the one who is "mocked" instead of "pierced", but the grammar is clear - "me".
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Zechariah 12:10 Corruption in the NWT
by Sea Breeze inhere's a question for those who still support watchtower on this forum.
why did watchtower leave out the word "me" in zech.
zechariah 12:10 reads like this: .
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Here's a Question for those who still support Watchtower on this forum. Why did Watchtower leave out the word "me" in Zech. 12:10 ?
Zechariah 12:10 reads like this:
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me (Strong's H853) whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son - Zech. 12:10
Strong's H853
אֵת
Apparently contracted from H226 in the demonstrative sense of entity; properly self (but generally used to point out more definitely the object of a verb or preposition...)
Since the word "me" is clearly in the original Greek, why did Watchtower leave it out and translate this verse this way? :
I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the spirit of favor and supplication, and they will look to the one whom they pierced, and they will wail over him as they would wail over an only son - Zech. 12: 10 NWT
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Baptismal Failure Rates Among JW Bible Teachers
by Sea Breeze inthe 2024 data from the jw website indicates that jw teachers have an over 96% failure rate with their students : .
2024 average bible studies each month: 7,480,146.
2024 baptisms:296,267. number of bible studies it takes to produce one baptism : 25.25. this means that jehovah's witnesses have an over 96% failure rate with people who want to study the bible with them.
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The 2024 data from the JW website indicates that JW teachers have an over 96% failure rate with their students :
2024 Average Bible Studies Each Month: 7,480,146
2024 Baptisms:296,267
Number of bible studies it takes to produce one baptism : 25.25
This means that Jehovah's Witnesses have an over 96% failure rate with people who want to study the bible with them.
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Is Belief in Jesus Enough to be Saved? Or Does it Include Believing Jesus?
by Sea Breeze ini don't think it is possible to believe in jesus and then not believe what he said.
the purpose of the watchtower organization is to take as many people to hell as possible.
they do this by tricking people into rejecting the bare minimum requirements for the free gift of salvation that jesus offered to ”whosoever”.. one of the stipulations for salvation is belief that jesus was raised from the dead:.
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@ Rattigan,
No, we don't repeat the Watchtower's opinion.
We repeat what Peter said in 1 Peter 3:18 "He suffered physical death, but he was raised to life in the Spirit."Sure you do. The denial of of Jesus' bodily resurrection is a feature of cults, apostates and anti-Christ's, not Christians. The scripture you cited from the NWT and the WT interpretation of it requires:
1. Re-defining a resurrection as something other than a reintegration of the soul, body and spirit of a person.
2. Requiring Jesus to be a liar.
3. Requiring the early church leaders to be liars.
4. If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised….For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. (1 Cor. 15:13, 16)
5. If Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. (1 Cor. 15:14)
6. We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised. (1 Cor. 15:15)
7. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. (1 Cor. 15:17-18)
Denying the resurrection of Jesus is considered a characteristic of the spirit of Antichrist, as it contradicts the core Christian belief in Christ's divinity and resurrection. This denial aligns with the broader definition of Antichrist as one who opposes or substitutes as a Savior in place of Christ or along side him as Savior, which is exactly what Watchtower claims, "Come to Jehovah's Organization for Salvation".
There is a simple exegesis of 1 Peter 3: 18 that does not require abandonment of core Christian doctrine.
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit - 1 Peter 3: 18 NKJV
This verse is easily translated as "made alive by the Spirit", as shown above.
This agrees with several verses that claim:
a.) God raised Jesus from the dead (Acts 2: 24)
b.) The Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead (Romans 8: 11)
c.) Jesus raised himself from the dead. (John 2: 18-22; John 10: 18)
This (correct) exegesis confirms Jesus’ statement that His resurrection body was his “flesh and bones”.
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. - Luke 24:39
Anytime an exegesis of scripture requires God to be a liar, it should be a red flag that the exegesis is wrong.
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Is Belief in Jesus Enough to be Saved? Or Does it Include Believing Jesus?
by Sea Breeze ini don't think it is possible to believe in jesus and then not believe what he said.
the purpose of the watchtower organization is to take as many people to hell as possible.
they do this by tricking people into rejecting the bare minimum requirements for the free gift of salvation that jesus offered to ”whosoever”.. one of the stipulations for salvation is belief that jesus was raised from the dead:.
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@Rattigan350,
The Watchtower and every JW that I have spoken with denies that Jesus raised himself from the dead.
Was Jesus lying?
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. - John 10: 18Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up .... he spake of the temple of his body. When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this - John 2: 19-22
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Babylon The Great
by EisMe inbabylon the great: a prophetic warning.
babylon the great is not just a city—it is the system that governs the world economy.
this was god's first judgment against economic babylon, but it would not be his last.. the three parts of babylon's economy.
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Rome is the best fit in my opinion. Consider:
Wikipedia states: “Many Biblical scholars believe that ‘Babylon’ is a metaphor for the pagan Roman Empire at the time it persecuted Christians, before the Edict of Milan in 313. . . Perhaps specifically referencing some aspect of Rome’s rule (brutality, greed, paganism). . . In 4 Ezra, 2 Baruch, and the Sibylline Oracles, ‘Babylon’ is a cryptic name for Rome. Reinhard Feldmeier speculates that ‘Babylon’ is used to refer to Rome in 1 Peter 5:13. In Revelation 17:9 it is said that she sits on ‘seven mountains,’ typically understood as the seven hills of Rome. A Roman coin minted under the Emperor Vespasian (ca. 70 AD) depicts Rome as a woman sitting on seven hills.”
According to the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia: “The characteristics ascribed to this Babylon apply to Rome rather than to any other city of that age: (a) as ruling over the kings of the earth (Revelation 17:18); (b) as sitting on seven mountains (Revelation 17:9); (c) as the center of the world’s merchandise (Revelation 18:3, 11–13); (d) as the corrupter of the nations (Revelation 17:2; 18:3; 19:2); (e) as the persecutor of the saints (Revelation 17:6).”
According to Eusebius of Caesarea, Babylon would be Rome or the Roman Empire: “And Peter makes mention of Mark in his first epistle which they say that he wrote in Rome itself, as is indicated by him, when he calls the city, by a figure, Babylon, as he does in the following words: ‘The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, salutes you; and so does Marcus my son (1 Peter 5:13).'”
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Is Belief in Jesus Enough to be Saved? Or Does it Include Believing Jesus?
by Sea Breeze ini don't think it is possible to believe in jesus and then not believe what he said.
the purpose of the watchtower organization is to take as many people to hell as possible.
they do this by tricking people into rejecting the bare minimum requirements for the free gift of salvation that jesus offered to ”whosoever”.. one of the stipulations for salvation is belief that jesus was raised from the dead:.
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I don't think it is possible to believe in Jesus and then not believe what He said.
The purpose of the Watchtower organization is to take as many people to hell as possible. They do this by tricking people into rejecting the bare minimum requirements for the free gift of Salvation that Jesus offered to ”whosoever”.One of the stipulations for salvation is belief that Jesus was raised from the dead:
if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. - Romans 10: 9
Jehovah’s Witnesses dutifully repeat the Watchtower opinion that Jesus was not resurrected. They teach his body was “dissolved into gases”. They teach that the person who presented himself as Jesus after the crucifixion was really Michael the Archangel in a body that he somehow fabricated and in-dwelt while he interacted with people before the ascension into heaven.
Jehovah’s Witnesses also reject the new covenant “for the forgiveness of sins” that Jesus offered to “whosoever” in Mt. 26: 27–28
“And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you, 28 for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins”.
In John 10:18 and John 2: 19, Jesus predicts that He will raise Himself from the dead. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not believe Jesus when he predicted that he would raise himself from the dead, in effect calling the Lord a liar.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. - John 3: 16
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1975 Quiz.
by mikronboy inhaving been asked to prepare and present a general knowledge inter-pub quiz, i decided to include a question relating to jw's.
there were 12 teams in all, 4 persons to each team.
this was the question:.
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If two teams left at half-time and didn't even attempt the question; Then that is 5 out of ten - 50%.
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Those Who Ascend To Heaven - As Revealed By YHWH
by EisMe inmartyrs ascend to heaven, the 144,000 are preserved.
many believers wonder about who truly ascends to heaven after death.
some hold that all believers go to heaven, while others believe only the 144,000 ascend.
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Here's PROOF from the pure clean nourishment of the Watchtower that the NEW COVENANT is NOT for those "ascending to heaven"
"Jehovah provided Jesus Christ as the perfect sacrifice to take away sins. This is a specific provision of the "new covenant."" Watchtower 1980 Nov 1 p.31.
Of course Christians have known for centuries just by reading Mt. 26-27-28